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Author Topic: Sunspots! What to do?  (Read 1481 times)

anne

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Sunspots! What to do?
« on: September 23, 2011, 07:22:11 AM »
So, the sunspots are here to stay. On my temples, on my upper cheek area, even on my forehewad.

The ones on my temples are the worst. Orange-y, look like freckles but, so unattractively, are not. (Yes, I realize that was not a real word!)

The very light tan has disappeared already, but the sunspots, of course, stayed. Ok, how to get rid of them? They make me feel realize I am becoming an old lady. Uneven skin tone is not nice at all. Isn´t it enough to fight pimples, blocked pores, wrinkles, naso-labial and other lines? Rant, rant!

I haven´t used Diacneal for a while, I´ve mostly used BC only, do you think Diacneal and Eluage would help, or do I need to buy arbutine products? Please advice!

I like the way I look and feel after a bit of sun. What a pity there´s the price to pay.
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sau

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 07:41:29 AM »
I am having the same concerns!!  Is laser the only way??

Tupelo

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 08:23:54 AM »
Here are some research based recommendations. Note that laster treatment is #4 on the list, so it is not the only method:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/179766-how-to-get-rid-of-sun-damage-spots-on-face/?utm_source=popslideshow&utm_medium=a1
« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 12:14:27 PM by Tupelo »
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SusieQ

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 09:57:50 AM »
I have some and have been toying with the idea of just going to see a derm. I've used the topical method and so far, nothing. I've been covering them for the most part, when I remember.  :-\
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anne

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 11:38:09 AM »
Aaargh! One page called them age spots or liver spots, also known as age-related freckles. May I opt for the last term for mine please?
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cara4art

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 12:19:36 PM »
I know, the terms that people out there bandy about are so depressing. "Age spots" makes me think of these crinkled-up leathery old ladies in sunny areas that have never seen a drop of sunblock in their life LOL! Actually, they're sun spots, since that accounts for most of what they come from. Although some alternative practitioners also put it forth that they result from unhealthy fats present in the body being drawn to the skin's surface by the sun. Some people say that when they radically change their diet to a largely raw food one, their skin improves, including their sun tolerance to begin with. But everyone is different in their responses to anything with skin.
What also peeves me out is the blithe advice "the best way to prevent sun spots is not to get them in the first place" which doesn't do us older women any good. More about that in a minute! That might be fine for someone young because they haven't accumulated the damage yet. For a young woman, just getting onto the sunblock habit right now is all she'll need for a very long time as her anti-aging arsenal as it's the best preventative bet.
I have them too, and I have the unfortunate combo of this, plus reactive skin that rules out a lot of perfectly decent anti-aging, skin tone-evening products. However, if I got wind of something effective that would work for my skin type that I could half-way afford, I'd be on it LOL!
If it weren't for sun spots, my skin would actually look pretty good as it still has a little bit of oil(although not much now)making it slower to wrinkle, plus it is still reasonably tight at age 64. My jawline is still defined and I don't have all that much sagging, really. It's the &%* sun spots - ugh! Makeup only does so much - if one uses enough to cover the spots, it's too much for rest of the face. In this case, spot concealer can help, if one doesn't have too many spots that is.
Best of luck - I totally know how this feels. Like you, I look better with some color, since that tends to blend them in. That's the problem with getting onto skin care and sunblock for us - since the rest of the skin fades out from no sun, the remaining spots stand out, making our skin look WORSE than before we started up with the sunblock.
Even dermatologists tell our age group not to beat ourselves up - sunblock of any sort basically really wasn't around until the 80's and the higher SPFs required to really protect our faces and give the spots a chance to at least not get any darker weren't around until fairly recently(like the last 10-15 years at most). However, as first line of defense no matter whether one seeks out treatments or not, is sunblock, every day, no matter what the weather and whether one is going out or not. A broad-brimmed hat also. One medical esthetician told me that if I did NOTHING else, at least get onto a good sunblock for the rest of my life. Since I have somewhat reactive skin, finding a decent facial one was really challenging at the very least. But I do have one that I like now, the CosMedix Reflect SPF 30 which is titanium dioxide, a physical block.
If you do seek out treatment, the gold standard is generally some combo of skin lightener like Rx-strength hydroquinone, a Rx retinoid, and glycolic acid. Needless to say, at medical levels this is pretty strong and might not be for everyone - it depends on how tough a skin one has. Some people however have gotten results with OTC stuff although that route can take a very long time and not eliminate them entirely. Often the best-case scenario with using OTC products is somewhat fading the spots. There are a number of hydroquinone alternatives, since often this is contra-indicated for sensitive skin types. Look for ingredients that are near the top of the list in a product, like kojic acid, arbutin, mulberry, licorice. The combo of glucosamine and niacinamide is a newer and promising one. What counts is what finally works which ever route one takes.
Anyhow - hope this helps!

Tupelo

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 12:32:13 PM »
I think they are called "age spots" because the older we are, the more susceptible we are to getting them. :)

About the sunblock, cara, I'm curious as to why you'd wear it if you are not going outside. If I am staying indoors I don't apply sunscreen. I don't get UV exposure indoors.

I got rid of the age spots on my chest with mandelic acid. It took a few months. I don't have any on my face, and I'm not sure I'd use the acid there if I did. But some ladies may be able to tolerate it.
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anne

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 02:00:19 PM »
Thank you Cara, very enlightening!

Tupelo, mandelic acid, eh? I think I´ll google that.

I had thought the sun spots would fade with the light tan. D´oh!!

I thought all the methods in the livestrong article were a bit frightening. (Yes, cluck cluck, that´s me!). You know, "Once the area heals and new skin forms"...  :eek:

I prefer inexpensive OTC. So...sunblock (though not during Finnish winter when our UV index is close to zero!), Eluage, Diacneal.

And when I will visit the derm for more fillers in 2012, I´ll ask for his advice and maybe for some more effective topical stuff.
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makinalist

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 02:37:06 PM »
I have tried a couple of topical remedies with hydroquinone, from Paula's Choice and Alpha Hydrox.  No difference that I could see.  I only have some small spots near my eyes and one rather bigger one in the middle of one cheek.  On my face. :D

I do know this, anne -- there is not much point in investing much time or money in ridding yourself of these unless you commit to blocking the sun from your face.  They will only return, if you do not.  Actually, the remedy may even make you more sensitive to the sun's effects.

Be especially vigilant when you visit Florida, dear -- the sun there is much stronger than what you are used to.  With your coloring you can easily wear bronzer to warm up your look.  Concealer can be your friend also.

"I don't have any on my face."- Tupelo!  That is wonderful!
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anne

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 02:46:05 PM »
Oooh Makinalist, but I love the sun, as I see it so rarely! I just love the flush on my face after having spent the early evening on the beach, in the late sun and the sea wind! And the lightest of tans. Although that does not seem worth the price anymore. My skintone is so much more uneven than in my youth.

Could I not just erase the damage / spots and then start over....?

But, your command is noted.  :spank:  :wink:

In Florida, I´ll use Neutrogena 30 SPF on my face and decollete as otherwise I´ll burn badly. I´ll also avoid the midday sun and will probably visit the beaches (mmm...the lovely beaches with sea shells and the warmest water ever!) in the early morning or in the evening. I really cannot tolerate a lot of sun or heat, I get literally sick!

I´ve SPF on my shopping list, too, I´ll buy a couple of tubes more of Neutrogena as it works great for me, does not show, does not irritate!

I just googled & ordered samples from DianaYvonne, some green cream + Mandelic acid etc.

I wonder if I should have tried GoW first, oh well.
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cara4art

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2011, 12:48:11 AM »
Sounds like a good plan for Florida - sun protection has to have several prongs and you've got the bases covered. You MIGHT consider a higher-SPF product in the Neutrogena line since that brand works well for you. They do have the sunblocks based on their Helioplex which is their term for the combo of the chemical blocks, stabilized. The Neutrogena Sheer Dry Touch line is very good in this respect. I was using the SPF 70, and did fine with this for a year until my skin got sensitized from another product. To this day, I can't wear the Neutrogena Helioplex-based blocks any more - they burn my skin. One thing to keep in mind is that the higher the SPF in a chemical block the greater potential for irritation if one's skin is prone. Hopefully yours is not - it will make it easier to find effective products in general.

I do know what a bummer it is when one enjoys the sun and realizes that any exposure will make spots worse if you don't take care. The problem is compounded when one uses treatment products for the spots, which treatments do make one MORE sensitive to the sun. Another bummer is the fact that an impossible standard is being held up to mature women as in raised expectations of having an even-toned skin into old age. Very people people do naturally - if it is natural that's genetics talking - genetics influences skin a lot more than we think. More often that even-toned skin is the product of a lot of expense for products, treatments and totally religious sun avoidance for the rest of one's life. Still, some people battle the spots because they will come back the minute one lapses about sun exposure because treatments have now made the skin more sun-sensitive, or they have rebound pigmentation after all that trouble. Just sayin! However, there are also people who do use good stuff and are very happy with how they look as a result so it works both ways. Now, everybody gets bent out of shape if there's any skin tone unevenness at all - it used to be called just living and people didn't stress out so much about it because they didn't expect to still look like a doll in their 50s and up.

There's a balance between common-sense taking care of one's skin and enjoying life. If you enjoy going to the beach, don't quit - the being out in nature and getting some sun you crave after living in the far north is good for your spirit. Just go early or later in the day for a little while like you say. That way you get the enjoyment, and lessen the sun's impact. Less likely to get burned too - I know that Florida sun is STRONG - when I visited once many years ago in the early part of November, even though I tan very easily, I still waited until later in the afternoon to go to the beach because it was simply too hot otherwise.

Anyhow, best of luck! Let us know how it goes with products, etc. and how your skin is doing with the spots. I have heard good things about the GOW line.

makinalist

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 02:23:01 PM »
I do sympathize about wanting to get a little sun.  I grew up baking in the sun every summer and didn't stop until I was in my 30's, and even then I had some major setbacks!  I have to keep telling myself that I will be happier over time if I don't speed up the aging process for my skin.

That is not to say that you cannot enjoy going outside in sunny weather -- just use your SPF and wear a hat.  Always wear sunglasses  8) -- that is important, too. 

This is a case of not being able to have our cake and eat it too, I'm afraid. :(
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anne

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 03:04:08 AM »
I finally received my order yesterday, applied some arbutin for the day, mandelic acid 16 % for the night. Either I am going mad or the worst sunspot is lighter AND has shrunk during the night. I look at my face with my 10x magnifying mirror every morning, tweeze my eye brows etc while using my bright light device.

On the other hand, it looks like I now have MORE very light sunspots near my hairline on my forehead. What is going on?
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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 09:33:23 AM »

On the other hand, it looks like I now have MORE very light sunspots near my hairline on my forehead. What is going on?

What a brave woman you are to use a 10x magnifying mirror in 10,000 lux!

2 ideas:

1. Could your bright light be illuminating spots you didn't notice before? Or, perhaps they are simply noticeable now that the worst spot is lighter?

2. Could warmth from the light (they vary in heat output) be increasing circulation and causing them to become more visible? If so, I suspect the worst one would be even lighter in regular lighting!

And a question: How do you do these things (tweezing, examining skin in a mirror) without raising your eyes so that they get a direct hit from your bright light?
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anne

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Re: Sunspots! What to do?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 03:02:07 AM »
I do not mind getting a direct hit from the light! At least, the instructions that came with the device did not warn me not to....hmm, I guess I´ll re-read them right now...And, you are right, the light does warm my skin so it becomes blushed, even, so it may well be that the spots show more!

The mandelic acid must be some miracle stuff. I applied it last night along my jaw line, where the skin tone has been unevenly pigmented for years, a decade maybe, from the sun and acne scars? This morning, it was astonishingly even where I had applied the mandelic acid. I was really stunned! What a pity I only applied it to the lower jaw line, as the lower cheek was in need of evening the skin tone, too!

I had just written off the lower jaw line pigmentation as something that would be with me for the rest of my life, I had not even tried any stuff there!

I wonder if my skin could take mandelic acid twice a day....? If a little is a good thing...   :wink:
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