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milla

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enhancing white/grey hair
« on: January 22, 2011, 04:45:27 AM »
Now that my grey hair is showing a bit more (I'm having it cut again today,by the way) I have been reading about enhancing shampoos. Blue Malva by Aveda seems to have a lot of followers and my salon is actually an Aveda salon. I want my white hair to be glossy ... but I certainly don't want a blue/purple rinse (the Dame Edna is not a good look) and I have read reviews that these shampoos can turn your hair purple.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Should I just stick with a good shampoo & conditioner for dry hair?
...by the way my DH says he will hate it if I go totally grey and he is willing to pay for professional colouring, no matters how much it costs :o I Told him I won't make a decision until I see what  it looks like.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2011, 04:50:35 AM by milla »

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2011, 11:01:55 AM »
I don't have any advice on shampoo/conditioner, but I have a question for your husband. How does he know he will hate it? Sounds like he's already made up his mind before seeing the complete picture. Just out of curiosity, does he have grey hair? :wink:
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2011, 12:43:12 PM »
I love Blue Malva shampoo.  Sadly, I cannot answer your question about how it reacts on silver hair.  I used it as a blond with blond highlights to avoid brassy tones.  Love, love, love the smell of it.

I would be very surprised if it gave you the Dame Edna look.  But you could always use it in rotation with another shampoo.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2011, 01:13:35 PM »
Another alternative would be to have a clear gloss applied. That's what I plan to do once I'm totally grey/white. If your grey has a wiry texture it will help with this, too (the main reason I'd do it-- my greys are coarse and dull).

The purple/blue rinse is just to counteract any yellow/brassy tones. I suspect a lot of women had this done automatically and didn't need it, hence the blue hair.

I also wonder how your husband knows in advance he'll hate it??
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milla

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 05:58:33 PM »
He is just prejudiced. Well I'm gray and I'm proud!
 He used to be a red head, now he is sandy-white (what is left of it, LOL)
Anyway, he said he liked my hairstyle. And I am not completely gray yet, one or two more haircuts and it will be a different story. My hairdresser advisd against the Blue Malva shampoo for the time being.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 06:03:00 PM »
milla, your coloring is so pretty you'll make a lovey silver crown. :)


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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 07:51:47 PM »
We have a long thread about the shampoos in this category.

http://thetimelessbeauty.com/hair-over-40/shampoo-for-shiny-grey-hair/

I use a purple one about once a week.  I don't have purple hair -- but neither do I have yellow!
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 09:43:29 AM »
Thank you ZuZu's, and Listy, I'll be checking that thread.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2011, 08:04:29 PM »
I conditioner-only wash (my hair is curly and dry so CO washing has helped a lot).  I used Aveda Blue Malva conditioner and liked it a lot (not the price so much though).  I have tried several different "blue/violet" conditioners to help keep the yellow out of graying hair.  I find them drying. That's the only downside for me.  I don't use them weekly for that reason, but I try to use them every 2-3 weeks for sure. 

I also use a clear gloss to help my hair look shinier.  Robert Craig Clear is my favorite. 
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 11:29:24 PM »
Is the clear gloss something you use at home or in a salon?
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 12:55:43 AM »
Is the clear gloss something you use at home or in a salon?

Sally Beauty sells Radiance Colorgloss Semi-Permanent Hair Color by Clairol Professional in Clear to add gloss at home.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 02:14:09 AM »
You can definitely do it at home-- there's Robert Craig, as Marci noted; Redken Shades EQ comes in a Clear Gloss option as does Pravana (both are Demi-perm and can be ordered online).
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 02:17:32 AM »
I have never heard of those brands. I'm so impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone here!

Of those, would you have a preference? A recommendation where to look online for them? Since hair is an ongoing expense, if I could reduce it by doing some things at home I'd consider it for the first time ever.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 02:29:16 AM »
Milla, here´s another Finnish saying (sorry that they translate so awkwardly!):

A half-finished work should not be shown but to madmen and to lords.

WHY this should be so, no idea! But, maybe your husband will want to wait and see until your hair is "ready" ?

Once you´ve gotten rid of all the coloured hair and are completely gray (silver? Platinum?) you can decide if you love the look or not.

And, should you hate the way you look, it is very easy and fast to colour it again.

Have you considered you´ll have virgin hair then and can choose anyt colour in the world? You won´t be restricted by the colours you used to colour your hair into by any way.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 06:32:17 AM »
As stated above, Robert Craig Clear is an at-home treatment. I am very uncoordinated and this is easy for me to do. I have used it many times over the years and I definitely recommend following the instructions from box. However, I leave the mixture on my hair for 30-45 minutes (which is longer than the box recommends but there is no harm to my hair and I get a deeper, longer-lasting shine that way). I have read that other users leave the mix on longer too and they were using color by RC so I figured it would be okay to do with the Clear for sure. It was for me. As with all beauty things, YMMV.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2011, 08:37:03 PM »
Stynna, it would be really hard to mess up a clear gloss treatment, I would think-- pretty easy to do on your own. Both Redken Shades and Pravana are professional brands. I think Redken Shades EQ would be easiest of these 2 to use (plus you can get smaller-sized bottles on ebay to try it out, so it wouldn't be a big commitment).
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2011, 08:43:12 PM »
I was actually wondering if salons had better quality gloss products than I would be able to get.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 09:33:29 AM »
Before I began to color my hair I used to get a "cellophane" treatment at the salon. It's a colorless henna treatment, and it made my hair incredibly soft and glossy. I wonder if "gloss" is the same thing?
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 01:15:45 PM »
Sorry I did not reply earlier, I have been trying to catch up with several jobs at work. Thank you for all the replies.
I had never heard of clear gloss and it sounds very good. I am going to ask my hairdresser about it.
As for the DIY ones, I have never heard of the products you've mentioned -perhaps they are not available here.
By the way,Anne, I love proverbs. Can you send it to me it in Finnish (with phonetic transcription if poss.), so that I tell it to my husband? I just want to see his face...

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2011, 04:36:51 PM »
I was actually wondering if salons had better quality gloss products than I would be able to get.

You can buy a lot of the same products used by professionals online. (Redken Shades EQ is one of those.) And my stylist uses the same Pravana haircolor in her salon that I use on my hair-- you just have to learn something about color mixing as it relates specifically to hair.

Milla, I think starting out by asking your hairdresser about the clear gloss treatment is an excellent idea.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 03:00:00 AM »
Puolivalmista työtä ei näytetä kuin hulluille ja herroille, Milla!  :grin:
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 04:29:13 PM »
Brilliant! I am going to do some work on those vowels! I can speak a few languages but I have never tried one from the Magyar family-now that's a linguistic challenge. Can you imagine his face when I say that? it will really freak him. I might also try it on my kids at school :evil:

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 03:17:05 AM »
The only letter that really needs a phonetic transcription is the "ä" - I guess it would be /ae/ .

Otherwise, almost everything in Finnish is pronounced as if it is phonetic litteration already.
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2011, 07:41:37 AM »
Milla, I think your hair is going to look SO pretty. But if you eventually decide it doesn't, well then, you can make it pretty any way you like.

I'm glad you're sticking to your guns despite some negativity from your husband and I hope you keep on doing what makes you happy in this, whatever that may be.

Have you had any other reactions?

As for your original question, I'm still using the Schwarzkopf Blonde Toner once or twice a week. It does the trick and the silver threads are shiny. Next I'll try a blue shampoo. I've found it doesn't need anything fancy done to it. It's far easier to look after than when it was coloured in fact.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2011, 02:02:34 PM »
I've heard excellent things about the Schwarzkopf Blonde Toner, but don't get much when I do a google search, LemonM. Can you tell us a little more about it and where you get it? Does it come in different shades? Do you mix it with a developer?
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2011, 04:17:18 PM »
Thank you for the support.
May be this is just my way of telling people that I just want to be myself. I don’t feel like putting on an act for anybody, I just want to be what- you- see- is -what- you -get Milla. I want to reclaim myself as a person and I don’t want to fit into anyone’s stereotype of what a 58 year old woman should look like. I am quite fed up of getting up in the morning, putting on my professional persona, and dealing with stuff in a manner that has nothing to do with my feelings and my personal goals. I think that probably my husband is worried about old age because recently we have lost a number of people in our family and it reassures him to see me as a young(er ) person.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2011, 04:29:42 PM »
I think that probably my husband is worried about old age because recently we have lost a number of people in our family and it reassures him to see me as a young(er ) person.

By all means be supportive, but he needs to find those reassurances from within. You deserve to be true to yourself first and foremost.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2011, 04:30:34 PM »
Thank you for the support.
May be this is just my way of telling people that I just want to be myself. I don’t feel like putting on an act for anybody, I just want to be what- you- see- is -what- you -get Milla. I want to reclaim myself as a person and I don’t want to fit into anyone’s stereotype of what a 58 year old woman should look like. I am quite fed up of getting up in the morning, putting on my professional persona, and dealing with stuff in a manner that has nothing to do with my feelings and my personal goals. I think that probably my husband is worried about old age because recently we have lost a number of people in our family and it reassures him to see me as a young(er ) person.


Milla, I think your assessment is profound. Reclaiming yourself, and not subjecting yourself to others' standards of beauty, including your own DH's.

Profound, too, is your sensitivity as to why he finds your going gray disturbing! It hits the nail (the mortality nail) right on the head. No matter how pretty our gray hair may be, it is most definitely aging. Embracing it is embracing where you are in life now, right down to your "roots." ♥
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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2011, 05:38:41 PM »
I am not giving up now. Another two hair cuts and I am sure I'll be able to see what it really looks like. Then maybe I will grow it again.  It is incredible how dry grey hair can be! I was going to get some Kerastase shampoo/conditioner or may be Ojon, but they both quite expensive and I have been careful lately, as I am thinking of retiring/going part-time within the next 2 years... by then I will be able to enjoy tying  my grey mane in a purple  scarf and spending all day messing about in the garden.

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Re: enhancing white/grey hair
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2011, 05:17:26 AM »
@Veuve: I'm in Australia and bought the toner on the recommendation of a blonde sales assistant at a place called Priceline that stocks just about anything that's needed in the bathroom.

It's purple and is used just like a conditioner, after shampooing - but it doesn't condition - and is applied to the hair for 2 mins then rinsed out.

It's recommended to use a conditioner afterwards as it's drying, but I don't bother.

The results aren't startling but my hair doesn't look dull so I guess it's doing the trick.
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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2011, 08:50:15 AM »
I've heard excellent things about the Schwarzkopf Blonde Toner, but don't get much when I do a google search, LemonM. Can you tell us a little more about it and where you get it? Does it come in different shades? Do you mix it with a developer?

Veuve, when I Googled it I got lots of info - even a couple of MUA reviews and places to purchase it. It does come in different "shades" of blonde and it looks like it removes any brassy/yellow tones in light blonde hair.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS274&q=Schwarzkopf+Blonde+Toner&btnG=Google+Search
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2011, 08:22:04 PM »
I need something. My hair is in good shape (using only demi permanent colors), but I just noticed that it is golden blonde again! It really doesn't look right with my pink skin-- way too bright. Obviously the color I used 2 weeks ago isn't ash enough.  >:(
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2011, 05:56:20 AM »
Veuve, here's a link to the one I use, with reviews that might be more helpful to you than my experience and comments as some of the reviewers seem to be using it for the very reasons you'd like to try a toner:

http://www.beautyheaven.com.au/products/20061-Blonde-Toner/reviews#
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2011, 12:24:00 PM »
Oh, thanks! That looks like a completely different product than the one that was coming up when I googled (which was a foam).

(Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread!)
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2011, 01:25:15 PM »
I need something. My hair is in good shape (using only demi permanent colors), but I just noticed that it is golden blonde again! It really doesn't look right with my pink skin-- way too bright. Obviously the color I used 2 weeks ago isn't ash enough.  >:(

That is precisely why I have never made a good blonde. Stylists would look at my eyes and see green (rather than blue with grey rims and amber starburst), and they'd make me a golden blonde. I could never understand why my face always looked so flushed and feverish.

One of the best color jobs I ever had was dark ash brown. The color was way too dark for my delicate coloring, but the cool temperature was absolutely correct.

Veuve, could you possibly try Clairol Natural Instincts Brass Free? They make three shades for blondes.

http://www.clairol.com/naturalinstincts/BrassFree/index.jsp

As a side note, the grey coming in along my hairline is surprisingly ashy cool. I wish I had the guts to let it go grey. Maybe next time I see Robert, I can ask him to start weaving in other (ash blonde) colors to help the demarcation be less noticeable. But I don't really want to use permanent dye.

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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2011, 05:05:27 PM »
Drugstore hair color all seems to kill my hair. I think I need to really just go platinum/violet/silver with my Pravana color. Every time I read about coloring grey hair, it says you have to add in some natural shade or something awful will happen, but that doesn't seem to apply to me. My hair will look fine for the first week, then as the demi starts to wash out, the yellow/gold tones pop back up. I'm thinking that eventually I will just stop toning altogether and do a clear gloss demi. Some of the grey in the very front of my hair looks already very platinum.
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2011, 01:01:49 PM »
So I tried a little experiment: I found some Ion Demi Clear Gloss that I had forgotten about, and used it with about 20 drops of Ardell Red/Gold Corrector added. That helped quite a bit to cool the shade down without altering my hair color otherwise. It also helps the texture of my hair (not so wiry and a little fuller-looking). I used a 10V developer, but I should pick up some 5V next time I'm at Sally's and try that.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2011, 07:38:57 PM »
I re-did my demi with Pravana No-Lift and I maybe have the right shade. Now I just have to remember the mix and hope it lasts more than a few weeks. I mostly used a level 9 platinum blonde with a little bit of level 9 ash blonde mixed in. I don't understand how my hair can keep reverting to golden blonde when it is naturally a very ashy shade-- and the entire front seems like it is all grey now. Sigh. The next time I go in for a haircut I'll have to ask my stylist about it and see if there's anything else I can do.
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