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Author Topic: Where to (re)start?  (Read 630 times)

Styyna

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Where to (re)start?
« on: April 28, 2017, 07:19:25 AM »
I haven't worn makeup except for very special occasions for years but I'd like to start again. I have hooded lids, narrowing lips, and okay skin. If you were going to use just two products, what couldn't you live without? Mascara and lipstick? Concealer and blush? Some other combo? Thanks in advance!
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milla

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 01:33:33 PM »
I would definitely wear mascara if I could wear eye make-up, but I dare not, because I can risk blepharitis. I used to love mascara…
You could  start with an eyebrow-shaping pencil. I still love my Kevyn Aucoin pencil, which I have had for about a year, please see below:
http://www.spacenk.com/uk/en_GB/brands/k/kevyn-aucoin/the-precision-brow-pencil-MUS300022981.html?dwvar_MUS300022981_color=US300022981
Recently I tried something by Charlotte Tilbury, please see MUA reviews below:
https://www.makeupalley.com/product/showreview.asp/ItemId=188126/Legendary-Brows/Charlotte-Tilbury/Brows
I liked it a lot but I did not buy it because I am trying to be thrifty and, as I said, I still have the Kevyn Aucoin pencil and it works perfectly.
Then there is lipstick. It is something that makes a difference, immediately. I love a lipstick that is very moisturising. I don’t always apply it with a brush but I always use a lip liner. At the moment I have two lipsticks, both by Chanel:  Rouge Coco Mademoiselle for the day and Marie if I go out in the evening. I have heard that Elizabeth Arden’s Ceramide Ultra lipstick is very good, too.
 If I had to choose just one make up item it would be lipstick. So I’d say start with lipstick. Put it on in the morning and re-apply during the day. Just see how it goes…how it makes you feel; and tell us about it!



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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 10:12:33 AM »
Brow product and lip pencil to start with, for these reasons:
Brows tend to fade or thin out with age, so some filling in and defining really does make a big difference with framing and defining one's eyes in a believable way. However, a lot of women have in the past over-plucked their eyebrows, especially during that unfortunate period in the 90s or even earlier when it seemed that everyone plucked their eyebrows to a thin line that really doesn't suit very many people. However, if one is one of the rare birds that has pretty much only plucked stray hairs, like myself, you're in business with a nice brow to start with. What you want is "your brows but better" meaning just cleaning up and emphasizing shape a bit. If you're still unsure, a visit to a brow specialist to get those brows in shape - ask her for tips and then you're good on your own for maintenance.
Lip Pencil - yes, this often scares people because they think of the scary badly-drawn 90s darker lip line and lighter lips combo that didn't do anything for anyone. The much better way is to find a lip liner pencil that is close to one's own lip color, and line just a little OUTSIDE the lips, following their natural contours. The mistake that many older women make with lip liner is thinking it goes on the inside of the lip line, thereby making lips look even smaller. Just that little bit of over-lining(just a millimeter OUTSIDE the lip line)makes a huge difference - it really does give one 10 years back, as we all face thinning lips as we age. If we had really small lips to begin with, they virtually disappear by now. Mine were somewhere in the middle, but they definitely benefit from this technique and it allows me to wear bolder shades, like that straight-up purple.:) For you, an easy look to break into would be that lip pencil applied in the way I suggested, and even fill in the lips a bit with it and apply a lip balm or clear gloss over it - DONE and very natural-looking. YLBB, as they say over on MUA - Your Lips But Better.
Last but not least, don't be afraid of makeup - there can be a lot of pressure on mature women especially to either not wear any, or go unnecessarily minimalist. If true minimalism for makeup suits one, then go for it. For some people less is really more, with makeup, and for others not necessarily so - just the opposite in fact. It really depends on someone's coloring and general style. I'm getting the impression for you that just some, in softer colors would be great.:) Hope all this helps!:)

milla

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2017, 11:06:11 AM »
Cara, I read your excellent suggestions last night, but I was too tired to reply, having spent the day child-minding an energetic little girl (22 months) and a very sweet but hungry baby (5 months)! I don’t think I need to go to the gym anymore, these two keep me on my toes! My son and daughter-in-law are house-hunting and they had to go to several viewings yesterday, so I was looking after the children from 9:30 am to 6:00pm.
Brow product and lip pencil are a very good way to start. As we get older, what most of us need is definition and that is exactly what you get from these two items. As long as you use them wisely and with a light hand, they can really improve the way you look and, therefore, the way you feel.
Like you, I have never gone for the thin, over-plucked eyebrow and I have only plucked stray hairs; a thin pencil, that achieves the sort of small brush stroke effect rather than the harsh line, is the thing for me. As for the lip pencil, I quite agree with the over-lining (as long as it is minimal). The lip pencil that I have at the moment is by Rimmel. It is OK but I find it difficult to sharpen it; it tends to break easily. I know that I should keep it in the fridge but I forget…Anyway, I could do with a new one. These things last for ages, so it makes sense to get a good one.  I don’t know if MAC still do the famous ‘Spice’ lip pencil, it was the best! Another thing that I consider essential is to gently massage (rather than exfoliate!) and moisturise your lips. I brush mine with a soft brush and apply lip balm every night.
 I agree that soft colours are right for you, Styyna, from what I know of you and your type of colouring.

Styyna

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2017, 02:31:49 PM »
Cara and Milla, thank you for the sensible recommendations. I hadn't thought of lip pencil and using it to maximize my thinning lips. Nor had I thought to pay attention to my eyebrows. Fortunately I've never plucked my brows into thin lines so they are quite full still. In fact, they need some attention to strays right now.

I ordered the Charlotte Tilbury Legendary Brows that Milla recommended. I like the idea of just lightly adding the slightest color to my eyebrows to emphasize their shape. I've never been very good at drawing with a pencil so this might be just what I need.

I also ordered No Eyeshadow Eyeshadow and No Blush Blush by Perricone MD. I heard good things about the blush but it's on backorder so it'll be a few weeks before I get it. During that time I'm going to work on eyebrows and using the eyeshadow to hide a broken capillary on one eyelid and even out the coloring of my eyelids.

As for lips, I'm going to pull out my old lip pencils and see what I have. I'll have to practice outlining just that bare mm outside my natural line so I'll start doing that right away. I tried just lipstick in soft pink and it needed something. Lip liner, eyebrows, and blush should help pull my look together.

Thanks, friends, for the good advice!
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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2017, 05:18:16 PM »
@styyna: You might try just a tad brighter and deeper with the lipstick, even with your softer coloring. Many women make the mistake of going too too light with both their lipsticks and foundations, thinking they have to follow the usual advice to wear soft light colors as they get older. In some cases that works, but nudging the lipstick depth by one shade might make a difference and bring life to the face. Too-light a lipstick can make one look washed out. With the lip pencil, if you have one that's just a shade deeper than your natural lip color that's excellent.)
Another thing that really does make a big difference at this stage of the game is a good concealer that isn't too drying and that has just a bit of illumination in it, as the under-eye area tends to darken a bit(or a lot, as the case might be)with age. A concealer that's a shade lighter than one's skintone, applied in the "triangle of light" style(google that for makeup). I did refer to this before in the thread about contouring - it works for me and is very easy. Then one doesn't have to buy one of those many contouring kits out there. An excellent concealer is MAC Mineralize one - it's liquid in a tube with a wand. I swipe a little on the back of my hand, they tap a finger into it and then tap the finger on my other hand, and apply. I use my fingers like one of those Beauty Blenders that one hears a lot about. Fingers work great for me - I do the same after applying foundation, using palms. The heat from one's fingers or hands really help blend. I know, lots of this sounds like a LOT, but once one has the hang of it it actually goes pretty fast.:)
Last but not least, there are a ton of YouTube tutorials, now with a number for mature women. Lisa Eldridge, and Wayne Goss have a few, for starters. Just do a YouTube search for "makeup tutorials for mature women" too. Surely there will be something there that will resonate one way or the other.) Hope all this helps!:)

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 07:07:32 AM »
Cara, thank you for your very helpful post!

Regarding lipstick, I have always avoided light colors. With my very fair skin they make me look like death but I'll look at slightly deeper shades nonetheless. I have very pigmented lips as well so I need lots of pigment to effectively overrule my natural shade. I think lip pencil will help, too.

Concealer will have to wait until I'm a bit more accustomed to applying makeup daily. But I agree that it's probably a wise choice.

I used to follow Wayne Goss and Lisa Eldridge but have fallen away from YouTube except for SusieQ's orchid videos. Thank you for bringing them back to my attention. Now, if only I can find one that addresses hooded lids in older women I'll be in business!
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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2017, 10:25:29 AM »
Hi Styyna!  On my "no makeup" days, I often wear Mac paint pot to even out and cover up the eyelids. And, sometimes, I add a color on the lids.  As for lips, the drugstore brands have MLBB and a lot of moisturizing, too.

For lips, have you look at colourpop website?  It's made for the young ones but they have neutrals and deeper shades for an extremely great price. There is blush that I love and need to get a replacement...I actually finished it. It's called Between the Sheet.  :grin:

https://colourpop.com/collections/cheek/products/between-the-sheets

I need to place an order soon!
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cara4art

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2017, 10:28:27 AM »
@styyna: Instead of a light pink lipstick, you might look at an almost mid-tone(but not quite)brighter pink one. Another thing to keep in mind when selecting makeup colors is one skin undertone, whether it's warm, cool, or neutral. As in, warmer colors looking better and blending in better with skin that has warm undertones, cool for cool ones. If you're not sure, look at your wardrobe - which colors absolutely suit you, and which ones don't? You know, the colors that bring life to one's complexion, instead of either making it look dirty or washed-out. That should give you clues, but there are other ways of telling too. Like, which jewelry looks best on one - gold or silver. Gold, antique silver or mixed metals if one is warm, silver - especially bright shiny silver, if one is cool. And of course more neutral can wear both, or mixed metals as well. Again, hoping this helping!:)

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2017, 11:48:33 AM »
I'm definitely cool toned. I wear silver colored jewelry and my nails are either neutral or blue-leaning reds or pinks. We chatted some time ago about seasons and I'm one of the Summers according to an excellent site that Cara led me to.

I'm having a hard time deciding what lipstick color to go with so I think that my Mother's Day gift to myself will be a visit to a makeup counter to seek advice. Probably Bobbi Brown or Chanel will be my destination. I don't have a good feel for what look I want and I'm not certain that I won't make a mistake if left to my own devices. However, I will have everyone's excellent advice in mind when I go. Thanks.  :heartthrob:
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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2017, 04:54:39 PM »
@styyna: I had the sense that you were cool-toned, from previous posts but had to explain anyway. Yes, the going to either counter could be good. But it really all depends on who is there that day, because not all sales associates know what they're talking about, ESPECIALLY with foundation shades(at least in my experience as I'm not that easy to match) but for a lipstick you might have better luck. If there's a good visiting makeup artist doing mini-makeovers, even better, and you'd pick up some handy tips, especially if you ask said makeup artist what they are doing along the way. A good way is to tell them that you're looking for a nice, easy to do natural daytime look, so you don't end up with a face you don't want LOL!

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2017, 03:15:21 AM »
Susie, thank for the link, I always love looking at blushers and I didn't know that brand.
I am still unsure about warm and cool tones…maybe I am a neutral? No…I think I am probably cool, because silver jewellery looks better on me than gold. But some of the tests suggested to determine coolness and warmth are a bit confusing, like the vein test: I am not sure if my veins are bluer or greener, it depends on the light! And they tell you to look at the veins in your wrist but that is not just veins, it is arteries (isn’t it?) I would tan and go quite brown  if I exposed myself to the sun. However, I have salt and pepper, steely hair and dark brown eyes…Sorry, this is not really what this thread is about, perhaps we could revisit colours in a new post. I would love to hear Cara’s views on this.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2017, 09:10:50 AM »
@milla: Yes, some of the undertone determining things are a bit simplistic, but it gives SOME people a start. Also, the color-consulting type of technique that was called Color Me Beautiful put people into 4 "seasons" which worked for some people but many people, including myself, were mis-cast. And it's kind of dated. Much more accurate are the more modern color-typing things like what is described on the website www.12blueprints.com. Rather than go into a whole description here, it's best to go to that website and read lots of good articles and view photos, etc. Since it seems that styyna is cool, that greatly helps her narrow down her clothing and makeup colors, not to mention what direction to go in with hair color as well.

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2017, 04:10:33 PM »
Cara, thanks for the support. It has been a long time since I've visited a cosmetics counter so it will be fun.

Milla, I suspect you are cool based on your silver jewelry preference. Have you always preferred silver jewelry or could that be something that evolved? If it has evolved then perhaps you are neutral. Are your preferred lipstick colors neutral, warm (perhaps with peach or coral tones), or cool (leaning slightly toward blue-based pinks and reds)? For some reason, based on my recollection of pictures of you, I want to think you're neutral and can perhaps dabble a little either way as long as you don't go too far. Just my very inflation-impacted two cents' worth. :)
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 06:11:30 PM »
@styyna: It all depends on who you get at any given cosmetics counter. Some sales associates are helpful, others simply aren't, and one doesn't always know ahead of time. Also, keep in mind that the lighting in most department stores(if that's where you're headed)is truly awful. What looks OK under that lighting will often not look right at all under natural daylight, which is how one should be judging one's makeup colors. A good thing to do after anything has been swatched on your face, or a makeup job as the case might be, is to tell the SA you're going to check it out in daylight first. At home, I always apply makeup by a window.

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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2017, 09:23:23 PM »
Thanks again, Cara. Friday is the big day. I'll be in the big city with department stores that have cosmetics counters. I'm aware of the importance of natural light and always head for a door to the outside to inspect it before purchasing makeup. And in our new home my vanity is in front of a window so that's covered, too. I just had highlights put in my hair (hides the gray) today so I'll be a new woman after this weekend!
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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 11:02:44 AM »
That all sounds very exciting! have fun.

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2017, 10:58:00 AM »
Highlights are fun. I haven't been inside a hair salon for over a year.  I've been cutting my own hair and coloring it, too.  My money now goes to my orchids.  :lol:
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Styyna

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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2017, 07:11:35 AM »
You're just a very capable person, SusieQ! I am all thumbs when it comes to my hair so I'm dependent upon a good stylist and colorist and a short style that is practically wash and go.

My planned outing to find a new lipstick didn't happen last week. But I have another chance coming up next week. My DH's car needs more attention and I will take it up, get a loaner car, and have a free day in the city during which I intend to see if I can't get a makeover. I'm pretty single-minded about this so it should happen.
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Re: Where to (re)start?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2017, 10:31:57 AM »
Sounds like you will have a fun day!  Looking forward to hearing about your outing!
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